PRETRIB RAPTURE SECRECY

by Dave MacPherson

The word “secrecy” when applied to Christ’s return can refer to two different things: time and visibility. Before 1830 the only coming Christians looked for was the “every eye shall see him” second advent to earth – secret only in point of time.
Enter Margaret Macdonald in 1830. She saw “the one taken and the other left” before “THE WICKED” [Antichrist] will “be revealed” – and added that her pretrib rapture would not be “seen by the natural eye” but only by “those who have the light of God within.” Her rapture was doubly secret: at an unknown day and hour and also invisible to “outsiders.”
Desperate to eliminate Margaret as the pretrib originator and the Irvingites as the first public teachers of pretrib, Darby defender Thomas Ice foolishly claims that they taught a secret POSTTRIB coming even though he knows that when Hal Lindsey teaches “one taken” etc. before the Antichrist “is revealed” Lindsey is expressing the kernel of the pretrib view – what MM and the Irvingites clearly taught before Darby did! Google “X-Raying Margaret” and “Edward Irving is Unnerving” to see why they are properly labeled “pretrib.”)
As early as June 1832, Irving’s journal taught that only “to those who are watching and praying…will Christ be manifested…as the morning star. To the rest of the church, and to the world, this first appearance will be…unintelligible.” (“Present State of Prophetic Knowledge” etc., p. 374)
Always trailing and “borrowing” quietly from the Irvingites who in turn had “borrowed” from Margaret, Darby in 1845 finally sounded like them when he wrote that “the bright and morning Star…is the sweet and blessed sign to them that watch…And such is Christ before He appears [at the final advent to earth]. The Sun will arise on the world….The star is before the [Sun], the joy of those who watch. The unwakeful world, who sleep in the night, see it not.” (“Thoughts on the Apocalypse,” p. 167)
And Lindsey’s “Late Great Planet Earth,” p. 143, says that “the second coming is said to be visible to the whole earth (Revelation 1:7). However, in the Rapture. only the Christians see Him – it’s a mystery, a secret.”
My bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (available at online stores including Armageddon Books) has 300 pages of such documentation and proves that Margaret was the first to “see” a secret, pretrib rapture, that the Irvingites soon echoed her in their journal (which Darby admitted he avidly read), and that Darby was last on all of the crucial aspects of dispensationalism.
Shockingly, all of the earliest pretrib development rested solely on unclear OT and NT types and symbols and NOT on clear Biblical statements. Margaret’s rapture was inspired by Rev. 11′s “two witnesses.” And her “secret visibility” rested on the “types” of Stephen, Paul, and John – all of whom saw or heard what others couldn’t see or hear.
For 30 years Darby’s pretrib basis was the rapture of Rev. 12′s “man child” – actually his plagiarism of Irving’s usage of this “pretrib” symbol eight years earlier!
As I said at the start, the “second advent to earth” is secret in point of time with its unknown “day and hour,” as Christ stated. Pretribs assert that if Christ returns for the church after the tribulation, we could count down the days and figure out the actual date of His return – which would contradict Christ’s words.
But pretribs deliberately ignore the fact that Christ said that the tribulation days will be shortened – and He didn’t reveal the length of the shortening!
Our opponents also assume that the “watch” verses prove the “any-moment imminence” of Christ’s return. But do they? II Peter 3:12 says we are to be “looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God” which all premills claim is at least 1000 years ahead of us and therefore hardly “imminent”! What’s the difference between “watching for” and “looking for”?
You have just learned a few of the many secrets that the Secret Rapture Gang has hidden for a long time. Evidently they have forgotten Luke 12:2′s warning that “there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed”!
PS – For the ultimate in uncovered secrets, see engines like Google and type in “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty.”

Perhaps fellow members here at http://www.lastdaywatchers may have more information to share as well in regards to this particular topic and a Christian perspective would be most appreciated.

The Protocols Of Zion? Are There ‘The Protocols’ Of Zion? What Is Zionism? Is It Biblical To Support Zionism? Terms Like Judeo Freemasonry, Judeo Zionist, Judeo-Christian, etc.

Are the 12 Tribes of Israel & Judah Always Repeating The Characteristics As Portrayed In The Old Testament or The New Testament As They Always Seem To Abandon The True One & Only God Of Israel & The Universe Who Came In The Flesh As A Sonship As Jesus Christ By Worshipping Satanic Pagan Idols Or A Satanic Masonic Yin & Yang New Age Ideology That One Can Be ‘God’ Through The Mystic Religions & Order?

Is Not The Tribulation/Jacob’s Trouble All About Israel-Judah Repenting & Accepting That JESUS CHRIST is GOD after many had missed The RAPTURE?

But instead still choose to build The Third Jewish Temple which The Anti-Christ & False Prophet will manipulate and The Anti-Christ would declare himself as ‘God’ instead. That The Only Way to stop the Anti-Christ is the intervention of God/Jesus Christ stopping The Anti-Christ alongside bringing in The Seven Trumpets & Vials on earth as mentioned in Revelation?

Are All ‘Jews’ really From Judah-Israel or simply converts. Though The Term ‘Jew’ was to initially identify those who are from The Land of Judah but for awhile lately even converts to the ‘Jewish’ identified religions are called ‘Jews’ as well.

What is ‘Jewish’ religion/s? Is there a clear disctinction of what ‘Jewish’ Religion really is?

Do all Jews believe in The Torah (Old Testament) or into The Talmud, Kabbalah which are of The Mystic Order of Religions Which Are Related To Freemasonry?

Do The So-Called ‘Jews’ Who Hold Key Positions of The Elite/Establishment/Illuminati/300/Olympians Are Concerned With Other ‘Jews’ Who Are Not Identified Or Related To Their Establishments?

Or Is There A Subtle ‘Caste’ System Even Between ‘Jews’ Themselves?

http://www.watch.pair.com/

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/

Again, perhaps fellow members here at http://www.lastdaywatchers may have more information to share as well in regards to this particular topic.

Archie

The Prayer Of Manasseh : http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text/manasseh.html

It is all about repenting and accepting Jesus Christ whether you are of the Seed of Isaac (Shem), Seed of Ishmael, Descendants of Ham. Descendants of Japheth.

A previous posting below which I did in another Christian forum :

The Davidic Lineage / Seed Of Isaac / 12 Tribes Lineages.

The 3 Lineages of Kings Mentioned In I & II Samuel & I Kings.

1) Saul – 1 Samuel Chapter 8 Describes Saul’s Personality

2) David (Not Related To Saul)

3) Solomon (Son of David)

The 19 Lineages of Kings & Even A King’s Mother Mentioned In I & II Kings & I & II Chronicles,

4) Rehoboam (Son of Solomon) – Evil

Mentions Book of Shemaiah, Prophet Iddo.

5) Jeroboam (Son of Nebat) – Evil
Reference To Hosea & Amos

6) Abijah (Son of Jeroboam) – Good

7) Asa (Son of Abijah) – Good

Elijah The Prophet, Ahab, Baasha King of Israel, Ben-Hadad King of Syria, Azariah Son of Oded

Jehoshaphat (Son of Asa) – Good

9) Jehoram (Son of Jehoshapat) – Evil

Elijah The Prophet

10) Ahaziah (Son of Jehoram) – Evil

11) Athaliah (Mother of Evil Ahaziah) – Evil

12) Joash (Mother’ Name Zibiah of Beersheba) – Good

Chief Priest Jehoiada & His Son is Zechariah

13) Amaziah ( Son of Joash, Mother’s Name Jehoaddam of Jerusalem) – Did Right But Not Perfect Heart

14) Uzziah (Son of Amaziah, Mother’s Name is Jecoliah of Jerusalem) – Good
Reference To Isaiah, Hosea & Amos

15) Jotham (Son of Uzziah, Mother’s Name Jerushah The Daughter of Zadok) – Good
Reference To Isaiah, Hosea & Micah

16) Ahaz (Son of Jotham) – Evil
Reference To Isaiah, Hosea & Micah

17) Hezekiah (Son of Ahaz, Mother’s Name Abijah The Daughter of Zechariah) – Good
Reference To Isaiah, Hosea & Micah

Ephraim & Manasseh, Sennacherib King of Assyria

18) Manasseh (Son of Hezekiah) – Evil

Prayer of Manasseh – II Chronicles Chapter 33 : 18 & 19 And II Kings Chapter 21

19) Amon (Son of Manasseh) – Evil

20) Josiah (Son of Manasseh) – Good
Refer To Jeremiah (The Weeping Prophet For Josiah) & Zephaniah

21) Jehoahaz (Son of Josiah)

King of Egypt Made Eliakim, His Brother King Ovrer Judah & Jerusalem, Changed His Name To Jehoiakim. – Evil

Necho Took Jehoahaz, His Brother & Carried Him To Egypt.

Nebuchadnezzar Came Against Eliakim / Jehoikim

Reference To The Book of Daniel Chapters 1 To 4. Note : Nebuchadnezzar Eventually Repented.

22) Zedekiah – Evil

King Nebuchadnezzar II (605 BC – 562 BC) of Babylon removed Jehoiachin from the throne of Judah and took him captive to Babylon and appointed Mattaniah, Jehoiachin’s uncle as King and changed his name to Zedekiah (597 BC – 586 BC)

Ref : II Chronicles 36 & II Kings 24 & 25

http://www.cresourcei.org/othbabylon.html

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/man001.htm

Apocrypha: Prayer of Manasseh Chapter 1

Thank you.